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MoldyRiceFrenzy · Jun 07, 2005, 05:16 AM // 05:16

Yep i would have to say pretty much eveyone playing gw hates rangers... i mean they are fun and good , but for some strange reason no one wants em. i myself am a ranger and its very rare for me to actually get a offer for me to get accepted into a group . ya even my friends amits to interntially not picking rangers into the group. so for people like me its just hard to get a stupid group to go with u...i guess not so much in pve but it gets challenging and desp[erate to get a group in the tombz. no one wants u, so thus the world hates rangers.

Juhanah · Jun 07, 2005, 05:26 AM // 05:26

That's because they think Ranger are "Archer".. They don't understand Rangers.
Most people think ranger are there only to make lots of damage from range. IMO Ranger is the most complete profession.
I always try to have at least one when making party. I always liked Rangers. When the game opened in april, i made one and now i like them even more.

=HT=Ingram · Jun 07, 2005, 05:28 AM // 05:28

In PvP areas I would have to agree. but in the rest of the game PvE they are not too bad actually. They are still quite efficient snipers with a longbow (even with the recent patch). and deal quite a bit of damage at a distance. also most of the nature spells help the entire party, so they are quite useful too. Healing spring is also a plus. Our monks like to stick with me most of the time cause I can do healing spring while he is doing everyone else and we can be some distance from the tanks yet still do some damage ourselves... I'm also half warrior so I can act as a tank when it is necessary to defend the monk. sometimes sacrificing myself to get him clear... So its all in how you use your ranger. They are actually pretty good once you get a nack for it. Trust me 8 rangers all with pets and a few with half monk skills and a few with half warrior skills is quite intimidating... Cause count em. that's 16 against 8. lol We did that one time for a guild battle and people were like OMG!!! Invasion of the Rangers!!! We took on 3 full monks and 5 warriors and they had No idea what happened... The monks where Called and all the pets attacked them while the rest of us attacked the warrior forces... one of these days we will do that again... it was really quite fun...

Something I was disappointed with is not being able to get my pet for my PvP build... So I have been using my Pve lev 20 ranger for that. maybe they will make it so we can choose our pets for rangers in PvP somehow in a future release.

eA-Zaku · Jun 07, 2005, 05:36 AM // 05:36

Maybe it's because the people playing the rangers are horrible people, and ranger is not exactly the highest priority on the "want list"

What I'm saying is, people tolerate monks even if the monks cry and bitch because monks give a tangiblel and obvious benefit to the party. Whereas when rangers cry and bitch it's an annoyance since most people wouldn't mind replacing the ranger with a monk or something.

EDIT: And also, all the damn "new pets," "make pets do this," "why do pets suck so much?" and stuff like that is annoying too.

Awol Duteq · Jun 07, 2005, 05:40 AM // 05:40

I've never had a problem being a ranger in fact by the end of the round, or mission, or pvp most people are quite nice and like having a ranger around to save the day

Juhanah · Jun 07, 2005, 05:44 AM // 05:44

My ranger dont use pet at all.. Unless im just running alone in explorable area.
I use Expertise, Marksmanship and Wilderness Survival... I don't even use my second profession.

Malchiel · Jun 07, 2005, 06:02 AM // 06:02

I hate rangers... a good ranger in PvP is a real pain... =_= They run around like chicken and make themselves a major nuisance by setting traps in mid fight.

They also makethemselves horribly annoying by poinsoning and interrupting everyone.

Thankfully they don't last very long against a good player... if they do it's all those running around the arena :P

Flamingpeanut · Jun 07, 2005, 06:39 AM // 06:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malchiel

I hate rangers... a good ranger in PvP is a real pain... =_= They run around like chicken and make themselves a major nuisance by setting traps in mid fight.

They also makethemselves horribly annoying by poinsoning and interrupting everyone.

Thankfully they don't last very long against a good player... if they do it's all those running around the arena :P

Now that's just plain insulting. Most rangers don't run around the battle like pussies, and those that do are hardly going to be classed as the spokespeople for the entire profession. That's like saying that 'all warriors are stupid and don't know when to die' or 'all monks are annoying because they keep rezing their team'.

And the poison, interrupt and traps are what the profession is about.

And what classes a 'good player'? Someone who is of a prof that is good vs rangers you mean...

Enough with the proffesionism, most people don't like rangers because they don't see the depth in the character, or like you they hate rangers because they don't know how to fight them or ahve had bad experiences with them.

Lews · Jun 07, 2005, 07:03 AM // 07:03

Poisoning and interupting is GOOD.
I've kicked warriors off my team in PvP so we can have some rangers with us.

Tellani Artini · Jun 07, 2005, 07:12 AM // 07:12

IMO rangers are effective as a hybrid constant damage and support class in both PvE and PvP. Pets generally suck starting when you hit the desert, though.

The problem is, good ranger players are few, and generally unnoticed.

There's really only one thing they can't do all that well: remove hexes and enchantments from a single target. Nature's renewal is cool and all, but affects both teams. Energy draining? Covered by debilitating shot. Snares? Pin down and crippling shot. Caster denial? Take your pick of interrupts, including the hateful concussion shot. Outright damage? Yes. You might not reach an air mage's level of spike damage, but the difference is that it's sustainable without relying on attunement; no one can strip your expertise. AoE attacks? See ignite arrows+dual shot and barrage. Protecting teammates? Throw dirt, traps, etc. Self-defense? Scores of skills here. Conditions? See hunter's shot, poison attacks, melandru's arrows. Anti-evasion? Precision shot and crippling shot can't be blocked or evaded. Denying resurrection? Whoops, rangers are the only class that can do that, with frozen soil. Now give them better armor against elemental damage (nearly 100% of AoE attacks) than warriors. What do you end up with?

Too bad many rangers don't even begin to realize their own potential.

=HT=Ingram · Jun 07, 2005, 07:29 AM // 07:29

I don't know I leveled up my dune lizard and its kicking some pretty good butt finally... But it took some time. the Dune lizard is a fast little bugger too... With piercing dmg equal to a good sword. I just wish we could transfer them to our PvP characters is all... in the beta it was not a problem cause there were some pets around tomb to get... but there does not seem to be anymore...

If not the kennel concept, Maybe we can have some pets roming on the different guild islands. that would solve the problem, but no forget it they would be level 5 and thats not very useful. I stand by the Guild Kennel concept, on my original proposal for upgrades...

Temken · Jun 07, 2005, 07:32 AM // 07:32

Too bad other players don't reckognize our potential. They're too stuck in the standard MMOG mentality *cough* Everquest *cough* wherein rangers are only good for burst range damage and nothing else. I'm done with this game. I'm going back to killing nazis in Red Orchestra, where class politics mean nothing and you're only as good as your steady aim and trigger finger.

Morat · Jun 07, 2005, 08:49 AM // 08:49

I enjoy playing Ranger - all apart from trying to get into groups. Its tough. It takes ages to get an invitation so I generally end up just running around looking for people with numbers above their head and clicking on them. Its rude, but you have an even chance of getting into the group. Then the next problem is that if there are 3 or more rangers in a group of six the monks and/or warriors will develop strange connection problems and not make it into the mission area. I used to think "Damn, thats a shame we lost our monk" but then I started realising that Rangers seem to have better internet connections than other classes.

Maybe we're so happy to finally get into a group that we pray to the god of ISPs extra hard?

The ironic thing is that groups with lots of rangers in tend to do very well in PvE at least - Especially if they have a range of second professions and all have pets to act as meatshields.

Ollj · Jun 07, 2005, 09:11 AM // 09:11

Rangers defeat Mesmers and Elementarists (breaking spells and poisoning) , they get beaten up by Monks and Warriors (just more damage/healing).

Now theres too many Warriors, Monks are way too popular (and still rare) and theres a big lack of Mesmers so:

-> Rangers get hunted down by popular classes with almost nothing to hunt efficiently.

Titus_Nefarius · Jun 07, 2005, 09:27 AM // 09:27

The problem is most people playing rangers (at least in PvE) just think pet classes are cool but have NO idea what to do. About a quarter of the Rangers at lvl 15 start off a mission with a pet that drops dead after the first encounter, and doesn't get rezzed because the ranger in question doesn't have pet heal/rez. That's at least 1/8th of your skills for the rest of the mission wasted, folks, not to mention the points that might have been wasted in Beastmastery. Oh, and by the way, Beastmastery doesn't make your pet any better if you don't bring / use any Beastmastery skills.

Having played a R/Me myself it might be because I know how to identify these retards better. It's hard already to profile yourself in a world where you're never the best at a role, because versatility is difficult to see in combat. Let alone if a large part of your class runs around with a reminder of their ineptitude at the bottom of the party-window.

(This post is dedicated to the Ranger I grouped with in the Gates of Kryta mission yesterday. Yeah, you, the one with the dead pet. Yeah, you, the one with a Vampiric Bowstring in a mission with mostly poison swamps / enemies. Yeah you that didn't take Troll Unguent to combat your own health degen. You made me spoil a lot of heals because of your cool toy. You, dear girl, utterly suck. Rangers, however, are a great class)

sama · Jun 07, 2005, 09:27 AM // 09:27

are we the only guild that run mass rangers and actually win?

shady_knife · Jun 07, 2005, 09:35 AM // 09:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titus_Nefarius

Oh, and by the way, Beastmastery doesn't make your pet any better if you don't bring / use any Beastmastery skills.

simple, yes it does.

Soulmessiah · Jun 07, 2005, 09:45 AM // 09:45

This post should read "The World Hates Bad Rangers!"

Thats because htere are so many of them. Ranger is one of the hardest classes to play in the game and be effective. But one good ranger on a team can change the tide of war in so many ways.

I have no problem with groups even when I and not with my guild. People know what I can do.

Red Rumm · Jun 07, 2005, 11:32 AM // 11:32

The Ranger class is by far one of the hardest to play along with mesmer maybe. Because a Ranger is a Jack of all trades. The trick is to specialize in only 3 fields and maybe 4 at the most with the extra 30 attribute pts and some good runes using fortitude grips and a major or superior vigor to offset the penalties. Also in pvp the beast mastery is a waste I believe and should not be considered by hardcore pvp. These leaves two options, interupter and damage dealer. Interupter is good, but dealing good dmg as a ranger can be difficult. In PvE it is a must to carry several specialized bows and I would believe in PvP this would come in handy also along with finding a hieght advantage and the right mix of skills. Also as a ranger it is a must to use good preperations and stances to suite the situation you are in. The other important PvP aspect is the secondary class. I see R/E and R/W running around and I can't believe they could be recommended in a hardcore environment. R/M and R/N have better options I believe since they can use skills to improve their own defense and skills that can seriously hurt that dreaded warrior attack. To sum it all up......Rangers get a bad rap because of all the pretenders out there. I admit in the beginning I sucked, but through trial and error and being humbled several times, I believe I can now contribute to any PvP or PvE battle.

asdar · Jun 07, 2005, 12:14 PM // 12:14

I like a well played ranger, but there's so much room for bad.

I've been playing in Lornars quite abit 'cause I like the challenge and I've been Joining whoever comes along. It' gotten so I cringe when I see a ranger. There might be one out of five that play well. The rest alternatively think they're tanks or think that for some reason they should be getting priority healing.

Ranger is one of the classes that can do damage from so far away that they don't have to worry about aggro but they always seem to get right up in there.

And I like a ranger Pulling, they don't need to take any damage to do it and with Poison, they can split groups and pull a nearly dead monster to the group. My problem is about 3/4's of the time ranger's don't know how to pull. They shoot the nearest monster stand there waiting for the group to come up. That's not pulling that's just attacking.

A good puller can split one linked group to the party and leave the rest. Most groups don't give them the room but part of it is to ask for the space you need.